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gryphon5.56722
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 1:36:01 PM
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Hello,

Can someone explain whether the calories burnt are calculated simply based on speed or whether altitude has anything to do with it.

The fastest parts of my journeys are the steep downhills where I expend less energy than the slow uphill struggle, which means basing it speed could be misleading.

Thanks for a great app!
marjan.16
#2 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 2:48:34 PM
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it is not based on speed.
gryphon5.56722
#3 Posted : Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:17:17 PM
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Care to elaborate?
spalsupport.2961
#4 Posted : Monday, January 04, 2010 9:42:35 AM
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The main factors used to determine calorie burn are your weight, speed and activity type.
GorgiK.4512
#5 Posted : Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:37:25 AM
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Its hard to measure the exact relation between the terrain inclination and the amount of calories burned. For that reason altitude changes are not included in the calculation - calories are currently calculated as if riding flat street. However we will try to include the altitude in the calories calculations in a future version.
DJL.78121
#6 Posted : Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:59:31 PM
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But, is it possible that in a 75min ran at a low speed of 22km/h (cycling) and in a flat terrain I can burn more than 1000 calories?
spalsupport.2961
#7 Posted : Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:06:07 PM
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Sounds quite possible, especially if you weigh over 90 kg.
omar.90353
#8 Posted : Monday, March 15, 2010 8:28:15 PM
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measurement is done by global average.

for instance, walking 5km/h for 30minutes with 75kg of bodyweight averages a certain number.

look for METS for specific numbers in relation to kcal

it all comes back to; labour=times *distance
this calculation does not incorporate height gain or loss!

greetings
Espen.90634
#9 Posted : Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:38:54 AM
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omar.90353 wrote:
measurement is done by global average.

for instance, walking 5km/h for 30minutes with 75kg of bodyweight averages a certain number.

look for METS for specific numbers in relation to kcal

it all comes back to; labour=times *distance
this calculation does not incorporate height gain or loss!

greetings


Labour = F(orce) * d(istance)
Here force is the tricky part. How much force is needed for a certain speed?
On flat level, the body weight has little significance. Then the force is mostly from friction (wind, wheels etc).
When climbing, the body weight gets more important.

For this purpose (sportpal) it will be good enough to base the calculations as indicated above. To take climbing, descending etc into account will not bring you closer to the truth as there are lots of other factors (wind, fricton, cycle-weight) that is beyond your control and hence not possible to put into the calculation. I will recomend to keep it simple.

RGDS
GorgiK.4512
#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:23:51 AM
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Espen.90634 wrote:
To take climbing, descending etc into account will not bring you closer to the truth as there are lots of other factors (wind, fricton, cycle-weight) that is beyond your control and hence not possible to put into the calculation. I will recomend to keep it simple.

RGDS


Actually, one thing that can be used to get a very good estimate of calories burned (< 5% error) is the heart rate.
BigBoss.96267
#11 Posted : Friday, March 26, 2010 3:45:47 PM
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If it helps in improving calculations :
My Heart bicycle rate monitor calculated 1711 calories, calculation on sporty pal is 1578.
(immediate answer to question that will follow : yes, I have over 90 kg)
Only significant difference is in climb difference where SportyPal includes 0 m and no heart reate
It was a slow drive (together with my wife) avg HR : 118, 240 m of climb.
alancymber.16888
#12 Posted : Sunday, April 18, 2010 7:16:54 AM
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It's really important to me to understand the calories figures on SP since my first exercise goal is weight reduction. Im 91 KG now (reduced 8 KG in the past 6 weeks with dieting and regular intense cycling).


I have 2 examples to compare: Ride A is all on local small roads in mountain area. I'm most of the time climbing and obviously when it descends I go full steam down.. Ride B is longer but flat all the way. I dont push my heart so much as on ride A and try to keep a more regular speed. Now here comes the question and the help: Ride A makes me noticeably more tired and definitely need more effort to accomplish it. However the calorie counter is lower than on Ride B. How we explain this and what's the way to solve this? I'd love to have a heart rate monitor function supported by the app. Is this the only way to improve the calorie function? What about inclinations?



Ride A
http://sportypal.com/Wor...1d02e2252593f7&ms=0

Steep climbs and descends, 31 km ride,1hr 44 min: 1138 calories


Ride B
http://sportypal.com/Wor...c60fed2f4b1c17&ms=0

Flat terrain on a bycicle path, 38 km ride, 1hr 52 min: 1400 calories


Thanks for the comments!
irousso.99128
#13 Posted : Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:16:01 PM
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The answer is very simple - I think that the method energy is calculated is extremely simple - basically moving a mass by a distance (taking into account the fact that it is cycling rather than walking or running). As you can see from your numbers - there is a nearly perfect linear correlation:
31 km = 1138 Kcal
38 km = 1400 Kcal
in both cases the energy per distance ration is the same - 36.8 Kcal/km.

Basically - if you take 30 km which are all one big descent or 30 km which are all one big uphill - you will get the same amount of energy burned - which is of course very wrong.
Itay
alancymber.16888
#14 Posted : Sunday, April 18, 2010 1:59:22 PM
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That's my point Itay.. the method for counting calories is too simplistic and I really need (prefer/would like) to count them more accurately since im on weight losing mode..

Anyone has experience with the garmin forerunner 405? includes a heart rate monitor.. but i was not convinces since it's supposed to be designed for runners rather than bikers.

of course i'd love to have a wireless heart rate monitor paired with my phone and the sporty pal aplpication running but so far is science fiction.


Thanks for the comments, Alan
irousso.99128
#15 Posted : Monday, April 19, 2010 9:44:04 AM
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Sorry Alan for misunderstanding you...
I use Sigma Rox 8.0 as my bike computer which records heart-rate as well as cadence - I am quite happy with it.
Itay
SimonB.19030
#16 Posted : Saturday, May 15, 2010 8:05:24 PM
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I wouldn't start adding the climb/decent values in to the calculation either as they're a little off - most of my routes are loops starting and ending at my home yet sometimes I've climbed over a hundred foot more than I've descended - trust me, my house ain't moved that much in a couple of hours ;)

As mentioned if you're that keen on counting calories burnt you really need a heart monitor - SP does its best to give you an indication but no matter how complex you make the calculation it's never going to be spot on for everyone in all conditions.

My main focus of cycling is to lose weight too - shifted a stone and half in five weeks thanks to a few miles cycling and cutting down on snacks but I take the calories burnt with a pinch of salt - the routes I do I will re-do if I feel like they were a good work out and tested me - more often than not though I'll do a different route just to keep the scenery interesting.

Like today, took the train out for a thirty mile jaunt home - few wrong turns made that forty three, unfortunately I can't show you as SP crashed on me - first time it's done it mid-ride for me but a tad annoying it was on a "biggy".
alancymber.16888
#17 Posted : Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:38:36 AM
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hey Simon, all.

I finally decided to get a heart rate monitor bicycle watch: https://www.bikester.co....ycle-function/3525.html

This watch calculates burned calories. Now, the good news is that the accuracy from the HRM vs. Sportypal is about 5% difference! So actually the algorithm used with SP is quite good apparently.

Will keep using both devices anyways since measuring my heart rate is useful/good anyways.

Alan
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